Ist beim Thorens TD 404 DD ein Tonabnehmer dabei?

Nein. Der TD 404 DD kommt bewusst ohne System, damit du selbst entscheidest — der TP 160 mit 18 g effektiver Masse harmoniert mit einer breiten Auswahl an MM- und MC-Systemen. Wir beraten dich zur passenden Kombination, montieren und justieren das System auf Wunsch gleich mit.

Ist der TD 404 DD in Nussbaum technisch identisch mit den anderen Ausführungen?

Ja. Antrieb, Tonarm TP 160, Plattenteller, Anschlüsse und Abmessungen sind bei Schwarz Hochglanz, Nussbaum Hochglanz und Eiche Matt gleich. Unterschiedlich ist allein die Oberfläche der Sandwich-Zarge. Entscheide nach deinem Möbel — klanglich nimmt sich das nichts.

Wofür sind die XLR-Ausgänge des TD 404 DD gut?

Sie übertragen das Phonosignal symmetrisch und sind dadurch unempfindlicher gegen Störeinstreuungen — ideal an einer symmetrischen Phonostufe wie dem Thorens MC 1600. Alternativ stehen vergoldete Cinch-Ausgänge samt Erdungsanschluss bereit. Beide Ausgänge lassen sich laut Thorens nicht gleichzeitig nutzen.

Kann der TD 404 DD auch 78er-Schellackplatten abspielen?

Ja, neben 33 1/3 und 45 beherrscht er auch 78 U/min, elektronisch umschaltbar. Feinjustieren lässt sich die Drehzahl über Pitch Control und das integrierte Stroboskop. Für Schellack empfiehlt sich zusätzlich ein passender Nadelschliff — auch dazu beraten wir dich gerne.

Warum den Thorens TD 404 DD bei HD Zürisee kaufen?

Weil ein Laufwerk ohne System nur die halbe Miete ist — die andere Hälfte übernehmen wir: Tonabnehmer auswählen, montieren, justieren, die Kette prüfen. Lieferung und Aufstellung vor Ort auf Wunsch. Und wir sind auch Jahre später noch erreichbar, direkt aus Wädenswil.

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Thorens TD 404 DD Turntable, Gloss Walnut

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The Thorens TD 404 DD is a direct-drive high-end turntable with the motor from the TD 124 DD, the TP 160 tonearm with a knife-edge bearing, an electronic lift with end-of-record shutoff, and RCA and XLR outputs — here in Gloss Walnut, without a cartridge.

Real wood veneer under high-gloss lacquer, topped with a solid aluminum top plate: the TD 404 DD carries the ingredients of the big TD 124 DD in a modern, clearly drawn cabinet — no vintage costume, no DJ look. The motor is the same as in its considerably more expensive sibling, and it brings the platter up to speed in what feels like a second.

Why the TD 404 DD?

Because it brings together what otherwise lives in separate price classes. Three speeds including 78 rpm, a strobe with pitch control, a 3.7 kg resonance-damped aluminum platter. The TP 160 works with a knife-edge bearing that guides with less friction than the price would suggest. The sandwich plinth rests on three height-adjustable, sprung feet — footfall noise and feedback have a hard time here. And balanced XLR outputs are still quite a statement in this class.

What you hear

Torque and calm at the same time — the hardest combination in turntable design. The drive pushes without ever becoming audible itself; dynamic passages get weight without any background noise riding along. The heavy platter holds the speed, the strobe lets you fine-tune — in case you're the kind of person who likes to keep an eye on such things. The e-lift lowers and raises gently and lifts the arm off by itself at the end of the record, before the turntable slows to a leisurely stop.

Who is the TD 404 DD for?

For listeners looking for a turntable for life who want to choose their own cartridge — and for anyone who doesn't want a high-end device to look like a piece of test equipment. Walnut here isn't camouflage, it's a statement. Anyone with 78 rpm shellac records finally finds a modern player that takes them seriously.

Straight talk: A cartridge is not included, and neither is a phono preamp — both belong in the budget. The tonearm can also only be lowered and raised via the lift button, not by hand. And RCA and XLR can't be run in parallel. Anyone who just wants to quickly drop a needle is two sizes too big here.

Our verdict

The TD 404 DD is the point where direct drive stops being a compromise — it challenges the big TD 124 DD and costs a fraction of it. That's easy to say; here it's actually true. We at HD Zürisee in Wädenswil build the right system for you, adjust it and clarify beforehand whether your chain plays along in balanced mode.

Technical specifications

Operation: electronic tonearm lift (e-lift) with end-of-record shutoff
Drive: direct drive, fully electronically controlled DC motor
Speeds: 33 1/3, 45 and 78 rpm, electronically switchable
Speed control: strobe with pitch control
Wow and flutter: 0.035% (DIN) / 0.007% (WRMS)
Platter: 12 inch, aluminum, 3.7 kg, resonance-damped
Tonearm: Thorens TP 160 with knife-edge bearing
Effective tonearm length: 232.8 mm
Effective tonearm mass: 18 g
Overhang: 17.8 mm, offset angle: 23.66°
Anti-skating: spring
Cartridge: not included
Outputs: RCA and balanced (XLR), cannot be used in parallel
Plinth: sandwich construction with aluminum top plate, three height-adjustable sprung feet
Finish: Gloss Walnut
Power supply: external plug-in power supply 24 V DC, optional TPN 124 linear power supply
Dimensions (W × H × D): 450 × 155 × 368 mm
Weight: 12.5 kg
Included: turntable, 24 V DC plug-in power supply, dust cover, manual

Frequently asked questions

Does the Thorens TD 404 DD come with a cartridge?

No. The TD 404 DD deliberately comes without a cartridge so you decide for yourself — the TP 160 with 18 g effective mass gets along well with a wide range of MM and MC cartridges. We advise you on the right combination and, on request, mount and adjust the cartridge right away.

Is the TD 404 DD in Walnut technically identical to the other finishes?

Yes. Drive, TP 160 tonearm, platter, connections and dimensions are the same across Gloss Black, Gloss Walnut and Matte Oak. Only the finish of the sandwich plinth differs. Decide based on your furniture — sonically it makes no difference at all.

What are the TD 404 DD's XLR outputs good for?

They transmit the phono signal in balanced form and are therefore less sensitive to interference — ideal with a balanced phono stage like the Thorens MC 1600. Alternatively, gold-plated RCA outputs with a grounding connection are available. According to Thorens, both outputs cannot be used at the same time.

Can the TD 404 DD also play 78 rpm shellac records?

Yes, alongside 33 1/3 and 45 it also handles 78 rpm, electronically switchable. Speed can be fine-tuned via pitch control and the built-in strobe. For shellac, a matching stylus profile is also recommended — we're happy to advise you on that too.

Why buy the Thorens TD 404 DD at HD Zürisee?

Because a turntable without a cartridge is only half the job — we take care of the other half: selecting, mounting and adjusting a cartridge, checking the chain. Delivery and on-site setup on request. And we're still reachable even years later, direct from Wädenswil.

Pairs well with

The TD 404 DD comes without a cartridge — you'll find the right one in the cartridge selection, from MM to MC. A good, ideally balanced phono stage belongs with it; get in touch and we'll figure out what fits your chain. More from Thorens, alternatives under all turntables.